tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post1041678875935296049..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: When "Orthodox" is NotUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-4923416940363000522014-09-27T20:36:24.798-04:002014-09-27T20:36:24.798-04:00This is neurotic. The Church of Christ should be v...This is neurotic. The Church of Christ should be visible and easy to find. Stay away from Old Calendarists.TruthBeTold7https://www.blogger.com/profile/07821854413309967203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-88428371330446847922010-10-18T12:38:50.933-04:002010-10-18T12:38:50.933-04:00Re: No. 2: A lot of the fakes/flakes/scams will in...Re: No. 2: A lot of the fakes/flakes/scams will include "Inc." in their titles, so you get names like "The Byzantine Independent Catholic Orthodox Church in North America, Inc." Real Churches don't have to flaunt their legal status.<br /><br />Including the "inc." is usually their strange way of protecting their pedigree from their schisms, which are manifold and meaningless. Their websites contain statements like, "If you see anyone using the name 'The Independent Byzantine Catholic Orthodox Church in Northa America,' but it does not include the 'Inc.,' they are not affiliated with us and are uncannonical, and their farts smell like rotten eggs."<br /><br />(Just to be clear, I just made up the name the BICOCiNA off the top of my head, but I have no doubt someone probably is using that name.)<br /><br />Another clue about the fakes I found early on which is not always hard and fast but is generally true is that they tend to have very badly designed websites. Not that webcleanliness is next to Godliness, but it's a good tip.Agabusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-4807338697504777882010-10-18T06:22:23.219-04:002010-10-18T06:22:23.219-04:00The criterion listed under No.: 5 places Serbian O...The criterion listed under No.: 5 places Serbian Orthodox Church as a non-canonical, bogus, or otherwise suspicious. Namely, "the pan-heresy of ecumenism" is the diagnose used in the book "The Orthodox Church and Ecumenism" (1978) by (then) Archimandrite Justin (Popovic) of Celije Monastery.<br /><br />He has been proclaimed Saint in May, 2010, and his book is part of the literature used by Serbian Patriarchate, but is also highly regarded at least among some Greeks and Russians.<br /><br />orthodoxlurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-5914911493064255362010-10-16T06:31:41.920-04:002010-10-16T06:31:41.920-04:00Dear John,
"Vagans" or "vagantes&q...Dear John,<br /><br />"Vagans" or "vagantes" is the gerundive adjective...and I find it scary that after some 45 years I can still remember that stuff. Surely there's a better use for my diminishing brain cells.<br /><br />Fr. PhilipIgumen Philip Speranzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14493083077340951473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-61474954214750750512010-10-15T00:33:57.453-04:002010-10-15T00:33:57.453-04:00I ran into one of these groups in Maine, it claime...I ran into one of these groups in Maine, it claimed to be Western Rite from the Russian Orthodox Church. What it was was a former Russian Orthodox Priest who married a Protestant who wanted nothing to do with Orthodoxy, they compromised and joined some Charismatic Episcopal group that allowed him to be a priest. I figured out very quickly that something wasn't right however they were wonderful Christian people who had faith that I don't always see in the real Orthodox parishes. I do think there is a real danger to these groups in that they can easily develop into cults. I feel in true Orthodoxy I am much more protected from such things except amongst splinter groups who leave the Antiochian parishes for the Jerusalem patriarch so they can have church their way. That kind of church hoping and parish creation is just as dangerous. <br /><br />I was part of an OCA mission in Folsom that belonged to the Albanian Archdiocese. I didn't know it but we were irregular. I found out after the mission folded that we were looked down on by the other jurisdictions in town. Our priest was wonderful and loved by his brother clergy. It was our Bishop that was considered to be doing something wrong, and an attached priest who ministered to a break away group of Arabs who created an Arab parish. The messes and the problems aren't the divergent groups only, even within the true church there are problems.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686622941862667157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-76527799517971122822010-10-15T00:11:32.529-04:002010-10-15T00:11:32.529-04:00I have to say that "Holy Fathers of the Seven...I have to say that "Holy Fathers of the Seven Ecumenical Councils Russian Orthodox Church" sounds like a perfectly legitimate name for a church - I rather like it. I remember when many of the Russian Churches had very long names such as [St. Name] Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church. I wish we maintained the title Catholic in all Church names.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-28146562490516448462010-10-14T17:53:00.441-04:002010-10-14T17:53:00.441-04:00Ingemar
I forgot about them. I will add "Gen...Ingemar<br />I forgot about them. I will add "Genuine" to the list of alert words.<br /><br />In ICXC<br />JohnJohn (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-58561513922943192712010-10-14T16:58:50.301-04:002010-10-14T16:58:50.301-04:00When I was first learning about Orthodoxy, I watch...When I was first learning about Orthodoxy, I watched a series of videos on YouTube channel greekorthodoxtv. It was only much later that I found out they belonged to the Greek Old Calendarist schismatic group (AKA the Genuine Greek Orthodox Metropolis of North America). And surely enough, while they have a six part series on Original Sin and a three part series on modern day analyses of the Resurrection, they have a FIFTEEN part series on the "panheresy of ecumenism!"<br /><br /><br />You're absolutely right about the cumbersome naming of these bogus churches. The reader who showed up on those videos was apparently from the "Holy Fathers of the Seven Ecumenical Councils" Russian Orthodox Church.<br /><br /><br />Also, the owner and webdespota (sorry, Webmaster) of orthodoxchristianity.net is a priest of the Greek Old Calendarists.Ingemarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-35244993940175024872010-10-14T16:41:53.250-04:002010-10-14T16:41:53.250-04:00When I was looking to join a Church that was apost...When I was looking to join a Church that was apostolic I discovered no small number of Evangelical house churches that set up some icons, waved incense and called themselves either the Orthodox or Reformed Catholic church. Even then, it was more bizarre than any Rock and Roll Mass I've ever been to.mjlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961183796915363873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-28928736400716519062010-10-14T12:40:54.298-04:002010-10-14T12:40:54.298-04:00Fr. Fenton,
I did not know ROCOR had any W/R paris...Fr. Fenton,<br />I did not know ROCOR had any W/R parishes. The last I head there were just a few monastic communities. It is good news.<br /><br />In ICXC<br />JohnJohn (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-61496513979018489212010-10-14T12:39:35.556-04:002010-10-14T12:39:35.556-04:00Matushka Anna
Thanks for the link. That is an exc...Matushka Anna<br />Thanks for the link. That is an excellent website. I think I will link it in the sidebar.<br /><br />In ICXC<br />JohnJohn (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-55813513515255980182010-10-14T12:38:04.325-04:002010-10-14T12:38:04.325-04:00Fr bless
Igumen Philip,
Thanks for the correction...Fr bless<br /><br />Igumen Philip,<br />Thanks for the correction. I have made some fixes. Is there an adjective form?<br /><br />In ICXC<br />JohnJohn (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-89462568115396080352010-10-14T12:11:02.343-04:002010-10-14T12:11:02.343-04:00Another sign that not all is well: if the head hon...Another sign that not all is well: if the head honcho of the group in question styles himself "Mar".Steve Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11283123400540587033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-44388661927481141552010-10-14T09:30:01.668-04:002010-10-14T09:30:01.668-04:00There are a small number of fully canonical Orthod...<i>There are a small number of fully canonical Orthodox parishes which have been blessed to the use of the Western Rite. In N. America they are almost all under the jurisdiction of the Antiochian Archdiocese. There are at present NO canonical Orthodox churches that are "Western Rite." That means there are no Orthodox Western Rite bishops.</i><br /><br />An addition: The Russian Orthodox Church outside of Russia (ROCOR) has a number of Western Rite parishes and monasteries. <br /><br /><br />Fr John W Fenton<br />Assistant to the Vicar General<br />Western Rite Vicariate<br />Self-Ruled Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North AmericaFr John W Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283787316830250866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-5999865583526840302010-10-14T09:23:32.276-04:002010-10-14T09:23:32.276-04:00Here's a site that tries to keep up with such ...Here's a site that tries to keep up with such parishes (and "churches") with an updated list. It gives a lot of helpful information: http://aggreen.net/other_orthodox/other.htmlMatushka Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522097149212770814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-44514231251008958242010-10-14T07:26:46.093-04:002010-10-14T07:26:46.093-04:00Just a note: the word is "vagantes" or (...Just a note: the word is "vagantes" or (in the singular) "vagans," with an "a" rather than an "e." Sorry; but six years of Latin leave their mark!Igumen Philip Speranzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14493083077340951473noreply@blogger.com