tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post1415728789168508716..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: Pope Francis Sacks Commander of Swiss GuardsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-44408488155541606222014-12-06T12:51:05.274-05:002014-12-06T12:51:05.274-05:00"Disdain"? Two responses:
(1) Press cov..."Disdain"? Two responses:<br /><br />(1) Press coverage of the Catholic Church in English-language secular media is almost <i>always</i> off-the-mark, so it is hard to draw any meaningful conclusions from the linked article in the first place.<br /><br />(2) If we take the article at face value (which one is ill-advised to do, see #1 above), we know two things. (a) The pope is concerned about the "grueling" shifts the guards are made to work. What exactly does that mean? Who knows (once again, see #1 above)? Nevertheless, a desire to see the rank and file work less grueling hours seems like <i>compassion</i>, not <i>disdain</i>. (b) The dismissed chief, Anrig, has a public link to abuse charges. One can rather understand why a Catholic prelate needs to be careful about the combination of "abuse charges" and "high rank in Vatican." Under the circumstances, it scarcely betokens "disdain" to decide that Anrig was not the best man for the job.Greg DeLassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572157616072184165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-26434868661376875332014-12-05T20:40:01.909-05:002014-12-05T20:40:01.909-05:00so my broader point still stands
No it doesn'...<i>so my broader point still stands</i><br /><br />No it doesn't. The problem is not the particulars of the Pope's security; the problem is his liberal, modernist disdain for a martial institution with fierce loyalty to the Papal office. +Francis is simply uncomfortable around traditionalist society and its institutions, which is a portent of more change to come.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-70959175993110883172014-12-05T16:23:44.210-05:002014-12-05T16:23:44.210-05:00Fair enough. Wikipedia also notes that it is the g...Fair enough. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corps_of_Gendarmerie_of_Vatican_City" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> also notes that it is the gendarmes, not the Swiss Guard, that is responsible for Papal security, so my broader point still stands.Greg DeLassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572157616072184165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-24089900822443567502014-12-05T16:07:51.031-05:002014-12-05T16:07:51.031-05:00Wikipedia says the Swiss Guard carries guns:
Mode...Wikipedia says the Swiss Guard carries guns:<br /><br />Modern arms<br /><br /> Vetterli rifle (Retired from service)<br /> Mauser 98k (Retired from service)<br /> Dreyse M1907 (Retired from service)<br /> Suomi KP/-31 (Retired from service)<br /> SIG MKMS (Retired from service)<br /> Karabiner K31 (Maintained in inventory)<br /> SIG P220 (P75)<br /> Glock 19<br /> Steyr TMP<br /> Heckler & Koch MP5A3<br /> Heckler & Koch MP7A1<br /> SIG SG 550<br /> SIG SG 552<br /><br />Less-than-lethal weapons<br /><br /> Pepper spray<br /> Tear gas<br />CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13883761718979175423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-91701033700833631182014-12-05T16:05:23.737-05:002014-12-05T16:05:23.737-05:00You know, if all of this vituperation were on a th...You know, if all of this vituperation were on a thread related to the recent synod the family, I could understand. I think that the coverage of that synod was more breathless than it really deserved, but it at least had the potential to do real damage.<br /><br />But on a thread about sacking the head of the Swiss Guard?!? Honestly, I am not sure that there is any move that one can take vis-a-vis the Swiss Guard that could merit the term "moron."<br /><br />If I start shooting a gun randomly into the air I can be convicted of murder if someone dies, even if I had no intention of killing anyone at all. On the other hand, no matter how recklessly I flick my tokens while playing tiddly-winks, I am not going to going to be charged with reckless endagerment, because tiddley-winks are just so inherently harmless.<br /><br /><i>Mutatis mutandis</i>, it is difficult to understand how any action taken with regard to the Swiss Guard can be either "malicious" or "moronic." The Swiss Guard are the tiddly-winks of military forces.<br /><br />Besides, it is not even as if the Swiss Guard is responsible for Papal security. That is the function of the Gendarmeria del Vaticano. The gendarmes carry guns. The Swiss Guards carry swords and spears. Which one of these two forces do you imagine is more relevant to preventing terrorist attacks that could kill onlookers to papal events?Greg DeLassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572157616072184165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-11269578716540511922014-12-04T20:29:52.377-05:002014-12-04T20:29:52.377-05:00I prefer the rule St. Simeon of Thessalonika who b...I prefer the rule St. Simeon of Thessalonika who believed that everyone is judged by those who ordained him. Therefore, priests and deacons are judged by their bishop, a bishop is judged by his Metropolitan, a Metropolitan is judged by his Patriarch and the synod, and a Patriarch (or Pope) who holds the highest rank, is judged by a great synod.<br /> maximushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01086218903799586114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-765780626295813822014-12-04T14:28:44.611-05:002014-12-04T14:28:44.611-05:00It's ironic that Benedict XVI emulates (St.) C...It's ironic that Benedict XVI emulates (St.) Celestine V, and is then succeeded by, seemingly, a kind of Celestine V redivivus. (Celestine V was, of course, succeeded by Boniface VIII who, whatever his faults and failures, was not out of his depth as pope.)William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-13166477768779559872014-12-04T12:48:31.014-05:002014-12-04T12:48:31.014-05:00I think AG may have nailed it. There are so many t...I think AG may have nailed it. There are so many things to admire about this Pope's character (along with a few not so admirable traits). But humility and personal sanctity do not necessarily translate into a great Pope (see Celestine V). After more than a century of really solid Popes, with only the lack luster Paul VI as an exception, I figure Rome was due for a stinker. <br /><br />It sucks, but the bottom line as AG noted is that this Pope is in over his depth. And the only thing worse than a well meaning moron in a powerful position, is a liberal well meaning moron.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-43744371412488930952014-12-04T07:16:10.196-05:002014-12-04T07:16:10.196-05:00Initial digging would suggest that the 1983 Canon ...Initial digging would suggest that the 1983 Canon Law is silent on the subject of removing the pope from office for heresy. That makes sense seeing as it is an extraordinary situation and requires an extraordinary process. "The Roman see is judged by no one" and all that.Resolutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443495035811357438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-65284337087167303122014-12-04T07:01:47.477-05:002014-12-04T07:01:47.477-05:00I knew it was referring to older law and writings ...I knew it was referring to older law and writings but forgot there is a whole new code these days. I believe it's a traditionalist site so I am unsurprised they aren't jumping into the new Code of Canon Law. It will be interesting to see what the new code says on the subject.Resolutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443495035811357438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-49549004745488132402014-12-04T02:05:10.401-05:002014-12-04T02:05:10.401-05:00The man is a good-hearted moron, and I mean that ...The man is a good-hearted moron, and I mean that in a completely non-malicious way. He is a sentimental, gushing, huggy-bear and would make a great parish priest, but is in well over his head as Patriarch of an autocephalous Church.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-12697752702347499122014-12-03T23:20:20.783-05:002014-12-03T23:20:20.783-05:00That article appears to rely almost exclusively on...That article appears to rely almost exclusively on the Pio-Benedictine Code of Canon Law which has not been in effect since 1983. John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-32263857641738018132014-12-03T23:09:03.442-05:002014-12-03T23:09:03.442-05:00http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles...http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1284-can-the-church-depose-an-heretical-pope<br /><br />Yes popes can lose their office. Resolutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443495035811357438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-942750455726967342014-12-03T20:20:53.269-05:002014-12-03T20:20:53.269-05:00No.No.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-48602658245729908762014-12-03T20:01:20.474-05:002014-12-03T20:01:20.474-05:00Is it possible to impeach a Pope?Is it possible to impeach a Pope?lanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17201942000756193774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-29034229171520820482014-12-03T14:59:18.693-05:002014-12-03T14:59:18.693-05:00Glad he's not in charge of the Marines.Glad he's not in charge of the Marines.Ecgberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354592772973677609noreply@blogger.com