tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post27287411563720003..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: Fr. Z On The Great Nun ControversyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-90138127040948200772012-08-17T13:07:40.278-04:002012-08-17T13:07:40.278-04:00OK this thread has long since fallen off the main ...OK this thread has long since fallen off the main page and I think it's pretty much been beat to death. Thanks for everyone's comments.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-9780561504219628422012-08-17T12:52:24.755-04:002012-08-17T12:52:24.755-04:00Stranger,
The point is what does this have to do ...Stranger,<br /><br />The point is what does this have to do with doctrine.<br /><br /><br />SavvyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-89448016513937433742012-08-17T11:48:17.409-04:002012-08-17T11:48:17.409-04:00Stranger,
The point is what the heck does this ha...Stranger,<br /><br />The point is what the heck does this have to do with the article about doctrinal issues?<br /><br />The Orthodox church clearly holds that if someone does not agree with their doctrines, they can move on.<br /><br />Everybody's personal and political views cannot be declared official.<br /><br /><br /><br />SavvyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-88227833638930813362012-08-16T22:08:43.732-04:002012-08-16T22:08:43.732-04:00Are you confusing Karamazov with the Idiot? Dostoe...Are you confusing Karamazov with the Idiot? Dostoevsky's point about temporal power is one that many Roman Catholics would agree with - I find the edits on this blog of normal (even normative) Orthodox views incomprehensible. Stranger Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-5566362486295561042012-08-15T20:51:30.680-04:002012-08-15T20:51:30.680-04:00Now, I understand the whole claim to conscience, b...Now, I understand the whole claim to conscience, but informed conscience is based on examining the evidence available to make up your mind. If you refuse to look at the evidence or data, then it's sola ego, which means you think you are better inspired by God.<br /><br />This is in fact an act of blind faith and not reason.<br /><br />SavvyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-16545687246182351532012-08-15T12:51:47.766-04:002012-08-15T12:51:47.766-04:00stranger in a strange world,
The difference is th...stranger in a strange world,<br /><br />The difference is that this black legends coming from Elizabethan England has been debunked by historians. <br /><br />The other thing is that these good sisters do not understand basic theology.<br /><br />The rule of faith is both scripture and tradition, so if they want private revelation, that scripture warns against, they can look to thousands of Protestant denominations, that each claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and have conflicting doctrines.<br /><br /><br /><br />Savvy<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-85804036298352457652012-08-15T12:31:32.666-04:002012-08-15T12:31:32.666-04:00 stranger-in-a-strange-world,
Dostoevsky did borr... stranger-in-a-strange-world,<br /><br />Dostoevsky did borrow heavily from the black legends on that issue, that have been debunked by historians.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-89666388074733413022012-08-11T10:25:23.526-04:002012-08-11T10:25:23.526-04:00Just to be clear, I am not your recent troller.
...Just to be clear, I am not your recent troller. <br /><br />But let me get this right - Dostoevsky's central critique of Christian history - the climax of the Idiot - is worthy of Jack Chick? Never thought I would see that in writing - even Rodney Delasanta in his First Things hit piece doesn't go quite that far. I am at a loss as to how to respond. By the way, the Idiot is at least as critical of Orthodox Russia.<br /><br />(For reference, Delasanta's piece is here: http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/06/003-dostoevsky-also-nods-41<br /><br />Unsurprisingly, the best translation of Dostoevsky's second most important novel is Pevear and Volokhonsky's - I doubt the quote was taken from their translation.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-89606871056774735752012-08-11T02:07:08.444-04:002012-08-11T02:07:08.444-04:00The comment was a way over the top attack on the R...The comment was a way over the top attack on the RCC complete with references to the anti-Christ etc. It was worthy of Jack Chick.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-69006296483520207592012-08-11T01:29:39.528-04:002012-08-11T01:29:39.528-04:00Wait, are we talking about the Dostoevsky quote th...Wait, are we talking about the Dostoevsky quote that was removed? In what sense was that "bigoted" or "beyond the pale" - isn't that the climax of The Idiot and one of his central critiques of Christianity? Help me out with this one...<br /><br />By the way, I think removing anonymous blog comments is a good policy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-54592603204750592272012-08-06T14:37:43.770-04:002012-08-06T14:37:43.770-04:00C.J.
The difference is their universalism never r...C.J.<br /><br />The difference is their universalism never rejected Jesus as the sole saviour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-29292535046618034862012-08-06T13:09:00.235-04:002012-08-06T13:09:00.235-04:00"The Church fathers were Universalist? Where ...<i>"The Church fathers were Universalist? Where on earth are you getting this?"</i><br /><br />Didn't Gregory of Nyssa drift uncomfortably close to univeralism? Not that it's the teaching of the church, but it has popped up from time to time, even among the saints and fathers of the church.CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13883761718979175423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-51619770728935825382012-08-06T11:40:45.044-04:002012-08-06T11:40:45.044-04:00Stephen
It has rarely been a problem until recentl...Stephen<br />It has rarely been a problem until recently. But I am rethinking the comments policy.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-33888142411328132252012-08-06T11:29:33.609-04:002012-08-06T11:29:33.609-04:00John, why do you accept Anonymous postings in the ...John, why do you accept Anonymous postings in the first place?Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-92097648912369435242012-08-05T22:38:34.911-04:002012-08-05T22:38:34.911-04:00Sorry Matushka. But that comment was beyond the pa...Sorry Matushka. But that comment was beyond the pale. I'm not sure if it was the same anonymous who has been trolling around here for a few weeks now. But I am about done with it.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-45619745697048283722012-08-05T22:29:06.893-04:002012-08-05T22:29:06.893-04:00[My comment was in response to the comment which J...[My comment was in response to the comment which John just deleted.]Matushka Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522097149212770814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-494901440126790202012-08-05T22:28:15.936-04:002012-08-05T22:28:15.936-04:00The Church fathers were Universalist? Where on ear...The Church fathers were Universalist? Where on earth are you getting this? And I am getting sick and tired of the "Oh, they served the poor so they can support abortion," argument. <br /><br />I'm disgusted. These "nuns" are nothing of the sort. They have renounced the Catholic faith but like to call themselves Catholic. In another 20 years they'll all be too feeble to notice that they've died out and the newer vocations want nothing to do with them.Matushka Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522097149212770814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-46054924145290775702012-08-05T22:25:59.839-04:002012-08-05T22:25:59.839-04:00Abusive and bigoted comments are a no no here.Abusive and bigoted comments are a no no here.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-14557471136602265622012-08-05T22:06:48.421-04:002012-08-05T22:06:48.421-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-27841368745403486122012-08-05T20:22:54.485-04:002012-08-05T20:22:54.485-04:00John: I would say they have moved far beyond Rome...John: <i> I would say they have moved far beyond Rome in their heresies </i><br /><br />Good Lord, but how do we determine how far Rome has moved in her heresies? Who determines that? Who? Not what council, but who? <br /><br />Especially considering the conciliation of Ferrara-Florence. Oh yes, the theologic plebs rebelled. <i> Tanto peggio. </i>Jack O'Malleydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-29259199808280300042012-08-05T15:16:43.521-04:002012-08-05T15:16:43.521-04:00We will probably reach an accord with the SSPX bef...<i> We will probably reach an accord with the SSPX before the LCWR is squared away.</i><br /><br />I think this is where Fr. Z. is off the mark.... I would hope he's right, but let's face it, the "biological solution" to the LCWR's problems may square away their situation before an accord is reached with the younger, more vibrant SSPX.sjgmorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05048203420713784327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-64955039376066662332012-08-05T11:19:27.143-04:002012-08-05T11:19:27.143-04:00Well most of these so called nuns are sympathetic ...Well most of these so called nuns are sympathetic to female ordination, homosexual marriage, most support birth control and at least some openly support abortion. Some also have become almost Universalist in their theology and accept the legitimacy of all religions. So yes, I would say they have moved far beyond Rome in their heresies.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-64539054214797421862012-08-05T03:06:36.362-04:002012-08-05T03:06:36.362-04:00What in the teaching of the Orthodox saints sugges...What in the teaching of the Orthodox saints suggests these nuns are missing mark further than the Roman hierarchy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-87482749894376151762012-08-04T20:38:46.967-04:002012-08-04T20:38:46.967-04:00I know well the language these renegade religous s...I know well the language these renegade religous speak -- I learned it in the Episcopal Church before I became Orthodox!<br /><br />"Dialogue": Haranguing others with your "story" until, in one way or another, they give in, give up, or get out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-45974137083724774102012-08-04T19:18:22.790-04:002012-08-04T19:18:22.790-04:00I am not sure they will be for much longer. Rome h...I am not sure they will be for much longer. Rome has already put the canonical equivalent to an asterisk next to their name.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.com