tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post3885715884473709588..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: Pope Francis: Let’s study idea of ordaining women as deaconsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-11922029445116152162016-06-30T10:10:23.528-04:002016-06-30T10:10:23.528-04:00Hear is a video of an Armenian Orthodox deaconess ...Hear is a video of an Armenian Orthodox deaconess reading the Gospel: https://www.facebook.com/ortakoymeryemanakilisesi/videos/1033845960018183/Steve_Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700596373993979010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-44960369020221299252016-05-25T09:30:22.052-04:002016-05-25T09:30:22.052-04:00Yes, the Orthodox Church of Greece has ordained De...Yes, the Orthodox Church of Greece has ordained Deaconesses. Also the Armenian Orthodox Church which is an Oriental Orthodox Church.Steve_Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700596373993979010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-16557539111775106932016-05-14T12:53:48.760-04:002016-05-14T12:53:48.760-04:00Just another attempt to get what Frank really want...Just another attempt to get what Frank really wants: ordination of women to the priesthood.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07737698278079495810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-79172308502369413672016-05-14T07:10:54.345-04:002016-05-14T07:10:54.345-04:00"Deaconesses were ordained"
In the Byza...<br />"Deaconesses were ordained"<br /><br />In the Byzantine East, arguably. Not in the West (and in some parts of the West, e.g., the Church of Rome and North Africa as a whole, there never, ever were "deaconesses"). The East Syrian rite for "ordaining" a deaconess makes it clear that deaconesses were not "female deacons."<br /><br />On this subject, historically speaking, Martimort is right and Mrs. Fitzgerald is wrong.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-40295867160999663922016-05-13T19:04:12.210-04:002016-05-13T19:04:12.210-04:00I find it fascinating that in the Catholic Church ...I find it fascinating that in the Catholic Church (and I'm a Catholic) it's considered some kind of antiquated archaeological reconstruction to celebrate the Tridentine mass - a mass that was universally celebrated within living memory and has continued to be celebrated in an unbroken tradition by a minority of Catholics since then. Meanwhile, it's alleged to be a "return to the early, authentic practice of the Church" to dig up a practice with no living tradition in much more than a thousand years and for which the documentary evidence is relatively thin and ambiguous as to whether it was more of a lay consecrated/instituted role (infinitely more likely) or more of a genuinely ordained role (doubtful). <br /><br />I just don't think these people realize the irony of actively opposing something that was demonstrably an earlier and "more authentic" (in a manner of speaking) practice of the faith while trying to "reinstate" something that probably never existed in the first place.<br /><br />Or, more likely, they know damn well the irony of it, but they have to pretend that they don't see the irony, because they have to try to pass off, with a straight face, something that's blatantly an innovation as something "traditional".sjgmorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05048203420713784327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-4048029202702126892016-05-13T15:54:56.518-04:002016-05-13T15:54:56.518-04:00What is not a matter of dispute - the scholarly co...What is not a matter of dispute - the scholarly consensus is clear - Deaconesses were ordained. The claim otherwise is just strange. That that role should function according to Tradition goes without saying.Greg Pavlikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02076590604248408230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-18894089614442838922016-05-13T05:15:02.867-04:002016-05-13T05:15:02.867-04:00Whether deaconesses were female deacons or a "...Whether deaconesses were female deacons or a "purely lay office" is still seems to be a matter of dispute (and unlikely to be resolved in the absence of newly-discovered and well-authenticated patristic texts bearing on the matter). <br /><br />What is absolutely clear, however, is that if deaconesses ever functioned as deacons in a liturgical context, the practice was <b>very</b> limited: the prohibition on women entering the altar is not absolute, but the relevant canon allows only virgins over the age of 40 and widows living in celibate chastity over the age of 60 to enter the altar.DNYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04258266827678438757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-19311869909892891332016-05-12T15:01:09.927-04:002016-05-12T15:01:09.927-04:00Didn't the Orthodox Church of Greece do this a...Didn't the Orthodox Church of Greece do this a few years ago?<br /><br />AnthonyUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05192594580249914996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-47529451509647000762016-05-12T14:32:35.981-04:002016-05-12T14:32:35.981-04:00Never a dull moment with the Gaucho Pope. Lets se...Never a dull moment with the Gaucho Pope. Lets see where this goes!<br />Glad we have the imperfect system that we have compared to the rogue-ness of the Latin Church.Archimandrite Gregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09894842027467584759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-7332862310470888062016-05-12T10:04:06.276-04:002016-05-12T10:04:06.276-04:00No. Ignore the misrepresentation of history.No. Ignore the misrepresentation of history.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-73300596279300293462016-05-12T10:00:08.284-04:002016-05-12T10:00:08.284-04:00"Ignore the conflation of "deaconess&quo..."Ignore the conflation of "deaconess" with deacons. The former was a purely lay office and not considered as part of Holy Orders." So ignore history?Steve_Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700596373993979010noreply@blogger.com