tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post432703982077200709..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: Wrongfully deported American home after 3 month fightUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-23734492886785418702010-09-19T13:50:16.201-04:002010-09-19T13:50:16.201-04:00Other countries don't have things like the rig...Other countries don't have things like the right not to have a confession beaten out of you. Should we imitate them in that, as well?ceejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07111213814466370594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-72014274470123004792010-09-18T09:00:10.159-04:002010-09-18T09:00:10.159-04:00I would put it like this: the Native Americans ar...I would put it like this: the Native Americans are more 'American' than you are. Propositional nationhood is a modern experiment. Again, if I moved to Mexico, didn't intermarry and didn't speak Spanish, would I be 'Mexican?' Most of the world, Lebanon for example, bases citizenship on patrimony. Do you find the Lebanese 'revolting?'The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-1095600729062126022010-09-18T07:42:59.139-04:002010-09-18T07:42:59.139-04:00Anti-Gnostic, I too find your attitude revolting. ...Anti-Gnostic, I too find your attitude revolting. Defining oneself as American is not subject to racial descent or language fluency. Would you say Native Americans are less American because they speak different languages and aren't of Western European descent?<br /><br />In fact, your stipulation that he should marry into the "market-dominant ethnicity" is extremely strange: what is that for, to breed out his Mexican genes? In the part of America he was born in, they've been speaking Spanish for hundreds of years, far longer than anyone has been speaking English there, and last I heard America was not a nationality based on ethnicity.ceejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07111213814466370594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-43395943327267888082010-09-18T02:21:05.160-04:002010-09-18T02:21:05.160-04:00Let,s give you the benefit of the doubt and say yo...Let,s give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are 100% correct legally. The point remains, he is only my countryman in a highly abstract sense. <br /><br />If I moved to Mexico, did not intermarry, and did not learn Spanish, would I be 'Mexican?' I'd venture to say most Mexicans would say I was delusional.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-89289482588042927502010-09-18T01:57:59.822-04:002010-09-18T01:57:59.822-04:00Anything less, and I would say you're a citize...<i>Anything less, and I would say you're a citizen only in an abstract, technical sense.</i><br /><br />I don't think the Constitution makes that distinction. And the last time I checked such is still the supreme law of the land. The man either is a citizen or he is not. Under the law and the Constitution the answer is clearly that he is, and was at the time of the incident. As a free man in a supposedly free country what language he speaks is his business, and no one has the right to arbitrarily strip of his rights because of his lack of English. If the government is gong to deport someone they have an obligation to be sue that the person is not a US citizen.<br /><br />Exactly where do you derive the right to strip someone of their rights because their background doesn't meet your standards? Frankly this know nothing nativism is repulsive.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-25217573833281542412010-09-18T01:47:35.135-04:002010-09-18T01:47:35.135-04:00If you were to move to another country and strive ...If you were to move to another country and strive to become its loyal citizen, what would be the minimum you should do? I would say learn the lingua franca and outmarry into the market-dominant ethnicity. Anything less, and I would say you're a citizen only in an abstract, technical sense.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-88627386275913223652010-09-16T20:57:38.901-04:002010-09-16T20:57:38.901-04:00I am aware that the incident did not take place in...I am aware that the incident did not take place in Arizona. <br /><br />I brought it up because this case appears to be a precedent for racial profiling being used to enforce immigration laws, thus giving more credence to the arguments of those who say that the Arizona law will lead to racial profiling.<br /><br />Why should he be considered less American because he doesn't speak much English? Plenty of people around the world don't speak the dominant or official languages of whatever countries they live in. I remember hearing about an American court case involving a woman from Guatemala who didn't speak English. An incidental aspect of the case was that the court helpfully provided a Spanish translator. However, it turned out that the poor woman didn't know Spanish, either. She was actually a member of an indigenous community in Guatemala and spoke K'iche'.ceejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07111213814466370594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-91770844635669373342010-09-16T13:39:33.992-04:002010-09-16T13:39:33.992-04:00It appears the arrest took place in Texas and the ...It appears the arrest took place in Texas and the screw-up was due to US Border Patrol authorities, not Arizona law enforcement.<br /><br />It is also interesting that this US citizen is apparently incapable of speaking or writing in English, which is understandable given that his parenting and upbringing is, basically, Mexican.<br /><br />In sum, he is a Mexican who happens to have US citizenship, which is all being an American means at this point: an administrative designation.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-51332275150861170122010-09-16T12:20:48.008-04:002010-09-16T12:20:48.008-04:00For his sake, I hope he gets that large check!
...For his sake, I hope he gets that large check! <br /><br />And they say Arizona's law won't lead to racial profiling?ceejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07111213814466370594noreply@blogger.com