tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post5449351390691125069..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: In case there were any who still harbor doubts...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-34864259527418472762010-10-13T02:33:12.529-04:002010-10-13T02:33:12.529-04:00Pivot,
Thanks for dropping by. Unfortunately it&#...Pivot,<br />Thanks for dropping by. Unfortunately it's going to take more than a website statement to overcome what TEO has been up to and is on the record as supporting.<br /><br />"By their fruits ye shall know them."<br /><br />TEO has gone completely off the tracks.<br /><br />Yours in ICXC<br />JohnJohn (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-43986730167341865512010-10-13T02:18:01.367-04:002010-10-13T02:18:01.367-04:00I just checked out the Episcopal Church's home...I just checked out the Episcopal Church's home page. EpiscopalChurch.org. They are pretty clear on who Jesus is and what they believe about him. I quote "The Prayer Book Catechism affirms that Jesus is the only perfect image of God the Father, and he reveals God's loving nature. Jesus received our human nature from the Virgin Mary, his mother, by God's own act. The divine Son became human so that we might be adopted as children of God and made heirs of God's kingdom. We are freed from the power of sin and reconciled to God by Jesus' obedience, which included suffering and death. Jesus overcame death and opened for us the way of eternal life by his resurrection. We share in his victory over sin, suffering, and death when we are baptized into the new covenant and become living members of Christ (see BCP, pp. 849-850). Major events in Jesus' life are recalled in the celebrations and observances of the church year."<br /><br />I felt really uneasy seeing that poster on your blog. Are some people believing that is from the Episcopal Church? These acusations are only causing deeper misunderstandings. Let us come together in the name of Christ. Pax Christi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-76487548566834712912010-10-13T02:13:39.613-04:002010-10-13T02:13:39.613-04:00Well, I took a look at the Episcopal Church's ...Well, I took a look at the Episcopal Church's website and I discovered the following statement about Jesus Christ. <br />From the Epsicopal Church. org "Jesus the son of God is, I quote "The Prayer Book Catechism affirms that Jesus is the only perfect image of God the Father, and he reveals God's loving nature. Jesus received our human nature from the Virgin Mary, his mother, by God's own act. The divine Son became human so that we might be adopted as children of God and made heirs of God's kingdom. We are freed from the power of sin and reconciled to God by Jesus' obedience, which included suffering and death. Jesus overcame death and opened for us the way of eternal life by his resurrection. We share in his victory over sin, suffering, and death when we are baptized into the new covenant and become living members of Christ (see BCP, pp. 849-850). Major events in Jesus' life are recalled in the celebrations and observances of the church year.<br /><br />That reads pretty clear to me about what Episcopalians believe. Pax Christi.PIVOThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472909969623150754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-24822419391908688312009-04-07T22:38:00.000-04:002009-04-07T22:38:00.000-04:00Steve,Thanks for your comment. In response to you...Steve,<BR/>Thanks for your comment. In response to your question, I think two points need to be made. First the general acceptance of Episcopal baptisms (at least in the Russian tradition) stems from the Great Book of Needs which was approved by the Russian Holy Synod back during the days of the czars. <BR/><BR/>It prescribes reception by economy for most of the mainline Protestants who were at the time confessionally Trinitarian and whose baptismal formulas were known to reflect this. While the BCP of 1979 remains Trinitarian in its formula the unpleasant truth is that it is not universally followed.<BR/><BR/>Let's be honest here. In TEC its pretty much a do it yourself program today. The BCP has been effectively reduced in many dioceses to the status of recommended guidelines. But clergy are doing there own thing and often not even using a recognizable Christian formula for baptism. Even when the formula is being followed we have no idea what the priest(ess?)has in his/her head when they are doing it. <BR/><BR/>Since intent as is at least as important as the form and matter in Orthodox theology, this creates real problems. One must also recall that Orthodoxy does not recognize the fullness of mysteries outside of the Church. And while acknowledging that there are degrees of separation and error, there are limits to what the Church teaches can be repaired or filled with the grace that flows only from an Orthodox baptism.<BR/><BR/>For this reason historically the Church has been a bit picky about when and under what circumstances converts are received by economy. Indeed some jurisdictions have been quietly tightening their rules on this in recent years. But however you slice it the reasons for which the Anglicans were historically accepted on a "close enough" basis clearly no longer apply to TEC.<BR/><BR/>Under the mercy,<BR/>JohnJohn (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-8047389428733493292009-04-07T21:00:00.000-04:002009-04-07T21:00:00.000-04:00OUTSTANDING!OUTSTANDING!Nikolaushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02559527213081642224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-64729335835077017732009-04-07T20:28:00.000-04:002009-04-07T20:28:00.000-04:00I mostly agree with this post, but if the words in...I mostly agree with this post, but if the words in the BCP 79 baptismal rite have always been good enough for economy, isn't a reconsideration of this practice due to the heretical views of many TEC priests, and not textual changes, an example of Donatism? Although perhaps a small minority, not all clergy in the TEC cross their fingers when they say the creed. <BR/><BR/>- SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-74929039988726246442009-04-07T01:10:00.000-04:002009-04-07T01:10:00.000-04:00It is perhaps worth noting that Forrester's electi...It is perhaps worth noting that Forrester's election appears to be going down in flames, as a fair number of liberal bishops have said they will vote against his confirmation.<BR/><BR/>I do not hold out much hope for TEC, but if God has a miracle in mind to renew it, 2009 may well be remembered as the year it began.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-64097599430126809032009-04-06T00:09:00.000-04:002009-04-06T00:09:00.000-04:00The image is a spoof. But as is so often true, it...The image is a spoof. But as is so often true, it is a bit closer to the truth than some might find comfortable.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-70610306505116034792009-04-05T23:36:00.000-04:002009-04-05T23:36:00.000-04:00Is that image at the top of the post for real or i...Is that image at the top of the post for real or is it a spoof?<BR/><BR/>Wow...Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02029716952735323038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-62043430363513365832009-04-05T21:02:00.000-04:002009-04-05T21:02:00.000-04:00The equivalent Anglican Church here in Australia h...The equivalent Anglican Church here in Australia has been heading this way for a while too though not quite as radically as in the US. Strangely contradictory and an exception is the Diocese of Sydney which though militantly evangelical is also one of the most conservative in the Anglican world. I am Orthodx from birth but attended a traditional Anglican private school in the 80's and i really grieve for where they are headed.artyomnoreply@blogger.com