tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post7575973186540967460..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: +Patriarch Bartholomew is willing to advance convening of the All-Orthodox CoucilUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-12818395279152647142010-06-01T12:59:57.944-04:002010-06-01T12:59:57.944-04:00God help us if our Hierarchs try to take on anythi...God help us if our Hierarchs try to take on anything beyond orderly administration of the Eastern Churches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-62695276348344779222010-06-01T12:53:44.791-04:002010-06-01T12:53:44.791-04:00yes, but IIRC, some of the 10 points given earlier...yes, but IIRC, some of the 10 points given earlier had to do with fasting, the marriage of Orthodox to non-Orthodox, the calendar, and some other things that were rather remarkable to my ears.<br /><br />does anyone know where that list of 10 points is on the internet? i know it was published, but can't find it.reader josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02759182706924091298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-3159210085212773552010-05-31T22:49:32.854-04:002010-05-31T22:49:32.854-04:00Fr John,
That quote brought me up short as well, ...Fr John,<br /><br />That quote brought me up short as well, but it is good to keep in mind that there is at least one translation -- and possibly two -- between what His All-Holiness said and what we read in this English version. Presumably the Patriarch was speaking in Greek, and the Interfax report of his remarks was a Russian translation, which was then translated into English. Clearly the English translation is a poor one, since the English version is not quite grammatical ("avoiding to give up anything of its teaching" is certainly not correct English usage).<br /><br />In these circumstances it is difficult to say exactly what the Patriarch really meant. I don't care for the notion of "keeping up with" the times; but the idea of "standing up to" the world is more in keeping with a proper Christian attitude to the present age. Unfortunately it is impossible to tell whether either of these English idioms properly reflects the Patriarch's meaning.Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-8592635155181749952010-05-31T21:52:45.021-04:002010-05-31T21:52:45.021-04:00In the light of Vatican II and other attempts to &...In the light of Vatican II and other attempts to "update" religion, this statement sticks out as a matter of concern:<br /><br />"Our Orthodox Church continuously seeks to keep up with the times..."<br /><br />Perhaps the original text is not as it sounds to my ears.Fr John W Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283787316830250866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-58731976910345336542010-05-31T21:29:11.211-04:002010-05-31T21:29:11.211-04:00It is not really possible to tell in advance that ...It is not really possible to tell in advance that a given council is genuinely "ecumenical." No council that is now venerated as ecumenical was universally recognized as such at the time that it convened -- even the first council at Nicaea was not generally accepted for the better part of a century after it met. And many councils that were intended to be "ecumenical" were ultimately rejected by the Church at large (e.g. the Robber Council of Ephesus and the iconoclast council of Hieira).<br /><br />So the only answer to your question is, time will tell.Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-47940940416553196932010-05-31T20:56:26.795-04:002010-05-31T20:56:26.795-04:00Would this gathering be considered the eighth ecum...Would this gathering be considered the eighth ecumenical council by the Orthodox, or something short of that?rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.com