tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post4946211276853436018..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: Fr. Andrew Phillips: Why Few Disillusioned Anglicans Will Join OrthodoxyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-91836620910686169772010-12-11T01:16:38.335-05:002010-12-11T01:16:38.335-05:00The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is a Wes...The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is a Western Liturgy so long as it is in a language of the West. I have been to many high church Anglican parishes that had beautiful liturgies and in many places I saw a liturgy that sounded like the Divine liturgy of St. John. I love God so I love the liturgies period. One thing I really found that I loved was that in the Orthodox liturgies they were heavily laden with theology, which I find a very important feature. People say liturgies are cold and dead. I disagree with that very much. Without faith the liturgies are words, with faith they are alive, they are a sanctuary in this life. They are living faith. I hope to get a WRO mission started in the Sacramento area. It isn't a preference of one over the other it is living my faith. If WRO is Orthodox then there should be no matter if a parish is Eastern or Western. What ultimately matters is that we are Christ followers. I do think the WR has something to offer in that it can reacquaint the East with the Orthodox Saints of the West, Saint David (Dewi Sant in Welsh). For Orthodox to remain healthy and Orthodox we have to love the Saints East and West, we have to love the Liturgies East and West. Why? Because they both are a product of God. We are one church. I want to experience every accepted liturgy. I want to get past the local customs such as Greeks saying "Amin" in parts of the liturgy where other jurisdictions say it isn't supposed to happen. I wish sometimes there was more affirmation of the truth by lay people, better than ignorance of it or worse ignoring it.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686622941862667157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-89021088902324507622010-12-08T13:59:27.908-05:002010-12-08T13:59:27.908-05:00Here are my thoughts on the "Liturgy of St. T...Here are my thoughts on the "Liturgy of St. Tikhon:"<br /><br />http://www.theanglocatholic.com/2010/06/the-liturgy-of-st-tikhon-of-moscow/<br /><br />I suppose that I should alert readers to the fact that the subsequent comment thread turns rather contentious mid-way through it, and that, although not the initiator, I am one of the "contenders" in it.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-47027508504522478842010-12-08T03:43:08.703-05:002010-12-08T03:43:08.703-05:00Bob: if you are looking for liturgical age in the ...Bob: if you are looking for liturgical age in the WR, the St. Gregory rite should easily pass the test. StatmannAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-89246393977586018162010-12-08T01:25:55.962-05:002010-12-08T01:25:55.962-05:00The WR is only a few years older than the 1979 BCP...The WR is only a few years older than the 1979 BCP. I wouldn't suggest it. Too likely to give the idea that "We didn't have to change very much!" which is an illusion. Going from having to be responsible for just the history since the Tudors (and having to constantly carry around the baggage of that "solution") and all at once being responsible for 2000 years of the faith is a big leap. There are just a huge number of things Anglicans don't consider every day. The Orthodox are also a very flaky lot. I wouldn't inflict a lot of the current situation on a newcomer even thought I believe the Faith is true. Ignorance is there because ---Well, what else have they GOT? Bishops? Theologians? Are you KIDDING?? If you have no catechesis you pretty well have no laity. And it's laymen that get made into clergy, and eventually you have Rowan Williams and Mrs. Schori. In the latter case I knew her mother, and I know she tried, but there you are. The usual Anglican layman isn't in a position to make many intelligent decisions about doctrine. They haven't been taught any, ever.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17536079575268346168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-28196634818580578222010-12-07T15:35:59.735-05:002010-12-07T15:35:59.735-05:00why do so many use byzantine?
I share your distas...<i>why do so many use byzantine?</i><br /><br />I share your distaste for the term. But like it or not it has become the accepted term of reference for what was in truth the Eastern Roman Empire. Sometimes you just need to go with the flow in order to avoid confusion.<br /><br />In ICXC<br />JohnJohn (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-14681152976004815252010-12-07T15:26:35.386-05:002010-12-07T15:26:35.386-05:00couldnt help but comment on your "We are in a...couldnt help but comment on your "We are in a word, Byzantine." why do so many use byzantine? that term, in its religious application, was coined by a catholic... archbishop elko of the ruthenian catholic church... to describe themselvesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-13388746898610737252010-12-07T07:43:29.259-05:002010-12-07T07:43:29.259-05:00I think that as we Orthodox begin to think more in...I think that as we Orthodox begin to think more in the missionary aspect of our history, we will find the emergence of an Orthodox Western Rite can be a very valuable tool, not only for uprooted Anglicans but as a tool for eventual reconciliation of Roman Catholicism to Orthodox Unity. Pray that Christ our God will hasten the day!Igumen Gregorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-3374234559724253362010-12-07T04:53:02.268-05:002010-12-07T04:53:02.268-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07727534908302610374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-19020847498466544092010-12-07T04:28:47.424-05:002010-12-07T04:28:47.424-05:00Why not offer the St. Tikhon rite orr the St. Greg...Why not offer the St. Tikhon rite orr the St. Gregory rite? Might well improve the odds. StatmannAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-23020169922806691432010-12-06T21:38:15.604-05:002010-12-06T21:38:15.604-05:00I will buy your first point that many Anglicans si...I will buy your first point that many Anglicans simply do not know much, if anything, about the Orthodox church, which is indeed unfortunate. I often regret not discovering the Orthodox church in any detail until after I was out of seminary and already ordained in the Episcopal Church<br /><br />I don't know if I would agree with your second point. At least for us High church Anglicans who have a great appreciation for liturgy, I think many Anglicans if they actually engaged with Orthodox liturgy would fall quite in love with it. <br /><br />I attended a Ukrainian Orthodox church on Wednesday for Compline on a fairly regular basis when I was at my first Episcopal parish. I admit there were many things about the liturgy I had never seen before or even quite understood, but I thoroughly loved it. <br /><br />I will grant you that such liturgy is well outside the realm of experience for most Western Christians, but I know many former Anglicans who wouldn't go back to Anglican liturgy if you paid them. I know if the Anglican Communion collapses, I know Orthodoxy would be the first door I'd be knocking on. Maybe I'm a special case...The Archer of the Foresthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03075768526819990250noreply@blogger.com