tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post6747778483773117005..comments2024-03-11T13:16:19.098-04:00Comments on Ad Orientem: George Weigel: Rome and MoscowUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-32183894875782225292011-03-10T01:40:40.613-05:002011-03-10T01:40:40.613-05:00Wasn't there a movement within the Ukrainian C...Wasn't there a movement within the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Austria-Hungary towards Russian Orthodox liturgical norms and piety in the late 19th and early 20th centuries? I agree that the L'vov Council was organized by the Soviets, but it's possible that a minority there had actually wanted reunion with Orthodoxy beforehand and had been kept back by the various cultural and social pressures that have kept many of us from changing faith. Again, not to defend the L'vov Council, but perhaps the view of the Moscow Patriarchate is formed by experience with such a minority (that genuinely embraced reconcilation)?Jon Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17906335382429497204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-17545611921512946422011-03-10T00:37:19.213-05:002011-03-10T00:37:19.213-05:00Weigel is an ideologue and a ultra-modernist. What...Weigel is an ideologue and a ultra-modernist. What he has to say about Roman Catholicism should be of little interest, but what he has to say about Orthodoxy is of no interest outside of an example of where unbridled ignorance leads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-49941316894562095322011-03-09T21:36:25.729-05:002011-03-09T21:36:25.729-05:00What strikes me about this article is that Mr Weig...What strikes me about this article is that Mr Weigel, like many (most?) Catholics, has no idea of the Orthodox notion of a territorial Church. That is why he sees Moscow's exercise of jurisdiction over Ukraine and Belarus as a relic of the Soviet period -- some sort of ecclesiastical echo of the structure of the Soviet state -- when in reality it is simply the extent of the jurisdiction that the Patriarchate of Moscow has had ever since there has been such a thing as the Patriarchate of Moscow.<br /><br />There is often a sort of tone-deafness in the attitude of Catholics towards Orthodoxy, as if they were saying "Why aren't you like us? And if you are not like us, you are incoherent."Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25740524.post-34959154500899899262011-03-09T13:29:38.632-05:002011-03-09T13:29:38.632-05:00I think its also true that "Greek Catholicism...I think its also true that "Greek Catholicism" has an ugly history as well, if we are splitting hairs. In any case, Rome is outside the Church so treating her position in the west as equivalent to an Orthodox position in Russia isn't what I'd expect from any Orthodox Patriarch or Synod. At this point in history, missions to the west is the main activity Russians should be considering, and those need to be untainted by Russian or 'Rus'ian identity - from that perspective the article ought to give us something to chew on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com