Agree with Orban's policies or not, but how is this guy a "strongman" (implying dictator/autocrat/tyrant) when he concedes defeat after an election and seems ready to peacefully transition power to the other party?
Hungary has been defined as ‘an "electoral autocracy" or "hybrid regime". While holding elections, the government has systematically eroded checks and balances, weakened judicial independence, and centralized media control”, while ‘some scholars classify the system as a "delegative democracy," where the executive operates with minimal oversight’.
To 123's point, you're kind of describing more the systemic failures in the Hungarian political process rather than the actual man and would make ANevskyUSA's point that it would technically make Magyar a "strongman" now that he's been elected.
That’s ignoring the fact that Orban is the one who “systematically eroded checks and balances, weakened judicial independence, and centralized media control”.
What Magyar does in eroded, weekend, and centralized system his predecessor put in place,I have no idea – and I have no horse in that race. Making comparison between them at this point is at the very least disingenuous.
I think the point ANevskyUSA is making is that while Orban definitely demonstrated corruption, a LOT of political leaders we DON'T think of as dictators, strongmen, or authoritarians, are also corrupt. And one key aspect of an authoritarian is calling election results fake or fraudulent and refusing to concede (like a certain someone in the United States). Concession to an election loss, especially the promptness, indicates a respect for democratic results as opposed to what is considered an authoritarian position.
So, now that Magyar has won the election and will be taking power under this supposedly corrupt and authoritarian electoral system, does that make him a "strongman" as well?
Agree with Orban's policies or not, but how is this guy a "strongman" (implying dictator/autocrat/tyrant) when he concedes defeat after an election and seems ready to peacefully transition power to the other party?
ReplyDeleteHungary has been defined as ‘an "electoral autocracy" or "hybrid regime". While holding elections, the government has systematically eroded checks and balances, weakened judicial independence, and centralized media control”, while ‘some scholars classify the system as a "delegative democracy," where the executive operates with minimal oversight’.
DeleteTo 123's point, you're kind of describing more the systemic failures in the Hungarian political process rather than the actual man and would make ANevskyUSA's point that it would technically make Magyar a "strongman" now that he's been elected.
DeleteThat’s ignoring the fact that Orban is the one who “systematically eroded checks and balances, weakened judicial independence, and centralized media control”.
DeleteWhat Magyar does in eroded, weekend, and centralized system his predecessor put in place,I have no idea – and I have no horse in that race. Making comparison between them at this point is at the very least disingenuous.
See... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Orb%C3%A1n#Democratic_backsliding,_corruption_and_authoritarianism
ReplyDeleteI think the point ANevskyUSA is making is that while Orban definitely demonstrated corruption, a LOT of political leaders we DON'T think of as dictators, strongmen, or authoritarians, are also corrupt. And one key aspect of an authoritarian is calling election results fake or fraudulent and refusing to concede (like a certain someone in the United States). Concession to an election loss, especially the promptness, indicates a respect for democratic results as opposed to what is considered an authoritarian position.
DeleteSo, now that Magyar has won the election and will be taking power under this supposedly corrupt and authoritarian electoral system, does that make him a "strongman" as well?
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